Siska,

I would define 'mindfulness' as 'clear mind' the same as you did.  I think some 
people though define it as more 'focused mind'.  I think the only difference is 
in 'clear mind' there is no dualism, no sense of self.  In 'focused mind' there 
still is dualism, subject/object and a sense of self.

The koan Mu is no difference then all 'breakthrough' koans.  A skilled teacher 
can use it to lead you to discover/uncover Buddha Nature.  That's all I care to 
say about it here.  If you're truly interested seek out a zen teacher and ask 
him/her.

The questions I asked Edgar were all variations on one question:  'What role 
does intelligence have in experiencing Buddha Nature?'.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I had to google on the koan because I don't know what it says. If I got the 
> right koan, I don't get the connection to mindfulness.
> 
> I agree with you that the picture can be described as clear mind, reflects 
> the real world around it. That is, mindfulness to me.
> 
> Would you describe mindfulness differently?
> 
> How does mu help to discover Buddha Nature?
> 
> Sorry, I can't remember your questions to Edgar. I remember you asked them so 
> many times, but I just can't remember what it is exactly. Do you mind 
> repeating the question?
> 
> Siska
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...>
> Sender: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:55:16 
> To: <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Zen] Re:  Mu - Graphically Illustrated...
> 
> Siska,
> For some reason I wasn't able to REPLY to your post.  I'm going to try
> to reply from a NEW TOPIC post.  You asked:
> [Siska]  Would you describe Mu as mindful?
> I actually would not.  I would however equate Buddha Nature with
> 'mindfulness', at least in the way I understand that term.  I don't
> really like the term 'mindful' for just what is indicated in this
> cartoon.  It's not 'mind full' at all.  I'd rather see that desribed as
> 'empty mind' or 'clear mind'.  It's like the difference between a movie
> screen which is full of images that are projected on it and a mirror
> which is essentially empty and only reflects the real world around it.
> Mu is just a tool to help you to discover/uncover Buddha Nature - a kind
> of trick really.  Mu in and of itself has no meaning.
> I thought using Mu in the title of this post was appropriate in this
> case though because the cartoon used a dog as an example of
> 'mindfulness' so it kind of relates to the koan about Joshu's Mu.
> I didn't elaborate on it in my first post but this cartoon (which I've
> copied again here below) is a good answer to my series of questions I
> asked of Edgar (remember him?) about the relationship between
> intelligence and Buddha Nature.
> 
> ...Bill!
>




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