And how much do you have to pay to do that?
:-)

Edgar


On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Joe wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> Nothing "Red" about it.
> 
> Ch'an developed in China *long* before the Communists took over.
> 
> Zen Buddhism knows no flag.
> 
> The are no "belts" in Zen, unlike in some other arts.
> 
> In Zen, everybody newcomer thinks she is a Black Belt.
> 
> The trick is to get back to White Belt. That's the rub. The work.
> 
> The way to formally convert is to take the Refuges, and the Precepts. 
> There are no papers to sign. Our Religion is a way of the Heart.
> 
> The formality is for oneself, not for others.
> 
> If one speaks of it, it's to inform others that this is available.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> PS And there's no one "like" Joe.
> 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, my thoughts too. Anyone like Joe who talks of Zen as "his religion" 
> > and of "formally converting to Zen" raises a BIG red flag..
> 
> 

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