LOL! A great excuse..... You should take a job as PR advisor for corrupt gurus..... There will be plenty of money to go around...
Edgar On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > That could be a legitimate tactic if it's the only way (or a good way) to get > people to gain an appreciation for water and then to show them it was there > for the taking all along... > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Exactly, Zen 'masters' asking to get paid by selling water by the river. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 7:54 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Selling water by the river? ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Excellent question. There is guru after guru claiming HE is the only > > > > one who is enlightened and can pass that enlightenment on - but first > > > > you have to pay! > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can we be so sure that the master is truly awake, joe?.... merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brother Suresh, > > > > > > > > > > Mind is a funny thing. Sometimes we can convince ourselves that, "Now > > > > > I've seen everything!", and be happy. But a teacher might say we have > > > > > not entered the door, yet. > > > > > > > > > > A book cannot interact with us in this way, because the "content" of > > > > > the book is only open to our interpretation, and out interpretation > > > > > can be hundreds of miles OFF. > > > > > > > > > > And if the Intellect does the judging, you are already wrong. > > > > > > > > > > If you read the Zen literature and accounts of the masters, you will > > > > > see many stories of monks stepping forward, claiming to be > > > > > "enlightened" after reading many Sutras, etc., but the master hits > > > > > them with a stick and chases them back to the meditation hall to > > > > > "Work harder!, you faker!" > > > > > > > > > > Words are GOADS, but cannot give you an examination. Only the Doctor > > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > A book can teach you some methods and attitudes, but it CANNOT test > > > > > you on whether you have truly shed your skin or not. Another > > > > > individual who is AWAKE must do this, or you may in fact be hundreds > > > > > of miles off-course, and all hands will be lost. > > > > > > > > > > You need GPS! Dead-reckoning too often results in wrecks. > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe: A teacher is needed to help us persist the right way(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh: Do you mean a teacher in living body form? Why not a teacher > > > > > > be a book? Or why not it is nature? or why not it is a situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
