Edgar and Joe, I think the actual quote is something like 'everyone is Buddha'. And yes I agree that some have realized that and some have not. And although I don't use the term 'enlightenment' very much my interpretation of that in the terms above is 'a person who has realized he is Buddha'.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > "All beings have the (Buddha's) wisdom but they realize it not" is EXACTLY > what I keep repeating here over and over again when I keep saying "everyone > is already enlightened, it's just a matter of realizing you are." > > Funny how no one listens to it or believes it when I SAY IT! > > NIce to hear Buddha quoting ME! > :-) > > > EDgar > > > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > I think the other fellow's expression is good, even if couched in everyday > > language (..."ought"...). > > > > If you recall what Shakyamuni is said to have said immediately after he > > awoke, seeing Venus, it's a lot like "RAF's" expression (BTW, is he/she an > > entire air force?). > > > > Something like: "All beings have the Tathagata's wisdom, but they realize > > it NOT!" > > > > So... for those beings, things unfold as they unfold, and they suffer. > > (as RAF says). > > > > And then, Buddha went on to teach the Four Noble Truths at the Deer Park, > > etc., after he first went back and taught to his five teachers. > > > > Taken by itself as you post it here, RAF's sentence is sweet. > > > > It may be unfair to quote RAF out of context, but it's still good stuff, of > > his. In the light of what the Buddha said. And taught. Thanks for it! > > > > I hope RAF is tipped-off to the fact that a practitioner can change things. > > He must be, if he knows about the Four Noble Truths. Or by your middle and > > third paragraph. > > > > (a Zen practitioner, is he/she?). > > > > --Joe > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Here is my response to a post on another group about Zen... [snip] > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
