Bill, Replace your "a person who has realized he is Buddha" which embraces every dualism we seek to transcend with "all is Buddha Nature".
And that ALL includes illusions, world or forms, thoughts etc. Everything! Edgar On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar and Joe, > > I think the actual quote is something like 'everyone is Buddha'. And yes I > agree that some have realized that and some have not. And although I don't > use the term 'enlightenment' very much my interpretation of that in the terms > above is 'a person who has realized he is Buddha'. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > "All beings have the (Buddha's) wisdom but they realize it not" is EXACTLY > > what I keep repeating here over and over again when I keep saying "everyone > > is already enlightened, it's just a matter of realizing you are." > > > > Funny how no one listens to it or believes it when I SAY IT! > > > > NIce to hear Buddha quoting ME! > > :-) > > > > > > EDgar > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > I think the other fellow's expression is good, even if couched in > > > everyday language (..."ought"...). > > > > > > If you recall what Shakyamuni is said to have said immediately after he > > > awoke, seeing Venus, it's a lot like "RAF's" expression (BTW, is he/she > > > an entire air force?). > > > > > > Something like: "All beings have the Tathagata's wisdom, but they realize > > > it NOT!" > > > > > > So... for those beings, things unfold as they unfold, and they suffer. > > > (as RAF says). > > > > > > And then, Buddha went on to teach the Four Noble Truths at the Deer Park, > > > etc., after he first went back and taught to his five teachers. > > > > > > Taken by itself as you post it here, RAF's sentence is sweet. > > > > > > It may be unfair to quote RAF out of context, but it's still good stuff, > > > of his. In the light of what the Buddha said. And taught. Thanks for it! > > > > > > I hope RAF is tipped-off to the fact that a practitioner can change > > > things. He must be, if he knows about the Four Noble Truths. Or by your > > > middle and third paragraph. > > > > > > (a Zen practitioner, is he/she?). > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is my response to a post on another group about Zen... [snip] > > > > > > > > > >
