Edgar, Yes, we know your thinking. As long as you UNDERSTAND everything about how the body processes air, extracts the oxygen and returns CO2 to the environment we really don't even need to actually breathe anymore, do we?
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > We true Boddhisattvas DON'T NEED oxygen masks! > > EDgar > > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > RAF, > > > > I am reminded of this by a recurring teaching (which I've posted many times > > before on this site) by the kindly Bodhisattvas that attend us when they > > fly. They never fail to tell us to "...put on your own oxygen mask first > > before attempting to help others." > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > RAF, > > > > > > My take on the Boddhisattva vow is that the best way, in fact the ONLY > > > effective way, to enlighten other beings is to manifest one's own > > > realization in the world as an example... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:55 PM, R A Fonda wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/27/2012 4:40 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > >> Originally, it's: "Life is Dukha". A wagon wheel that is mounted > > > >> eccentrically on an axle is also "dukha", so "Life is Dukha" may mean > > > >> that life is "off-center" as lived by beings who are not quite awake. > > > >> Such a life will always seem unsatisfactory (some translators call > > > >> that "Suffering"; oh, well) to the being. > > > > That is an interesting point: in the original, it might not even mean > > > > what we would think of as suffering. Still, the examples given in > > > > context suggest, at least to me, that 'suffering' is close to the > > > > intended meaning. Edgar's distinction between physical and mental > > > > suffering also seems apposite, though, given that distinction, physical > > > > suffering remains an inherent aspect of physical existence. > > > > > > > >> "Work out your OWN salvation with diligence". > > > > Ironic you should mention that, as it is the very reference I recently > > > > cited to Edgar, as supporting my view that the Bodhisattva Vow is > > > > presumptuous and a dubious doctrine. At any rate, my choice to eschew > > > > that vow is why I don't call myself a Buddhist, in spite of my sincere > > > > gratitude for his elucidation of the Way. > > > > > > > >> "resolution" is that there is no resolution TO BE MADE -- and no > > > >> resolution is Reasonable -- because the two points are observations > > > >> made from different perspectives: the one is from Samsara (the realm > > > >> of not-awake-ness); and the other is from the point of view of someone > > > >> who is awake. > > > > Thank you for an excellent response. > > > > > > > > RAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
