Bill, Not a good idea. The communist system in its ideal form perpetuates dependence and failure because it rewards incompetence and sloth.
The ideal economic system is a free market system, but that being said there are no truly free market systems since they are all perverted by the super rich who impose rules through the public officials they buy for their benefit at the expense of lower level entrepreneurs. The only regulations constraining a free market system should be to ensure safety of products sold, and to minimize environmental effects towards sustainability. However many of the current regulations are designed to maintain the advantage of large corporations and banks. That being said there should be some public support for those truly in need, but only in a manner which does NOT perpetuate that need. The ideal political system is a meritocracy where officials gain appointments as the result of rising through an educational system designed to train them to solve actual real world problems they will encounter. That applies equally to the ranks of civil servants as well as the leaders themselves. Democracy is a huge failure, because it elects not the best qualified to solve real problems, but the best liars, bull shitters, and those most willing to prostitute themselves to their corporate and banker masters. Edgar On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:00 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Until we as a society can successfully establish a communistic economic > system socialism is the best system we can strive for. Right now the best we > can do is try to restrain and regulate our native capitalism with wealth > redistribution tactics as are employed by our current form of Keynesian > economics and continue to move it closer and closer to socialism. > > But maybe someday we can actually aspire to communism...we can only hope. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > Perhaps, but the belief in taking other people's property and > > redistributing it without their consent is an even more egregious > > attachment... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > The question itself speaks volumes. > > > > > >> Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance to > > >> the mind's freedom? > > > > > > Well done! It is certainly on-topic, and is eloquent. > > > > > > I'm impressed by planning and decision-making that's guided by > > > consideration for and appreciation of others' future stewardship. I think > > > of the "Seven Generations" planning of actions taken by certain Native > > > American tribal councils, the making of decisions with a concern and > > > consideration for how planned actions, if executed, might effect even the > > > seventh following generation of people and culture after the elders' > > > actions. > > > > > > Such planning probably could not have taken into account the arrival of > > > Europeans in America, and I don't know if the "Seven Generations" > > > principle remains in play on Native Reservations to this day. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > -> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance to > > >> the > > >> mind's freedom? > > >> > > >> It looks to me like it is, but perhaps we shouldn't argue politics and > > >> tax > > >> policy here? > > >> > > >> Rather than share my partisan arguments, let me simply state that > > >> reasonable people do disagree about these issues. Personally I am > > >> grateful > > >> to have been born into a society that believes in vaccination public > > >> schools voting research moon missions and the like. the society finds it > > >> sensible to pay me for tasks which are enjoyable and allow me to learn > > >> and > > >> to master myself, and that seems fine. I didn't create the society nor > > >> more than a bit of its wealth, so I don't feel like much more than a > > >> temporary steward of the assets I control. > > >> > > >> I do know not everyone shares such a perspective, and there's no profit > > >> in > > >> arguing. I speak to offer the lurkers the data that the idea of > > >> capitalism > > >> without a fixed idea of a personal self can take many forms. > > >> > > >> Yours in praeteritio, > > > > > > > > > >
