Brad Warner, in what I find to be a useful way of organizing these philosophical things, makes the duality between spiritual and materialist, and describes the non-dual alternative as realism. Our body/mind and all existence as one, to split parts away into spirit and others into matter, or to deny either aspect of reality, is not what one experiences in zazen.
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 19, 2013 5:44 PM, "Bill!" <[email protected]> wrote: > Zendervish, > > 'Realist' does not convey any 'special' or 'elitist' connotation to me. > 'Realist' to me just means someone who takes things as they are, without > trying to interpret or change them to suit their purposes. > > This IMO is the essence of zen. > > ...Bill! > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@...> wrote: > > > > In addition, Realist denotes something special, something elitist as > well, does it not? > > > > You know, people use they hands in different ways. > > > > /\ > > > > zendervish > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > The "subject line" refers to the book > > > > > > Ehei Dogen, Mystical Realist, Hee-Jin Kim > > > > > > Nevertheless, I would agree with you though, so how about that one! . > . . Mystical is a word in our time that denotes something special . . . > usually it has something to do with "spiritual but not religious." Or > apologetics for certain Religions. > > > > > > Like the word esoteric . . . > > > > > > Enlightenment . . . how about that booby trap word? > > > > > > I am more from the school of "get your ass over there and sit down . . > ." Or -- "don't!" > > > > > > Samey Samey . . . > > > > > > Anyway, I am not big on the word myself . . . it has worn out its > usefulness, if it had any to begin with. > > > > > > zendervish > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Suresh, > > > > > > > > There is no spiritual quality in zen. Dogen was not a mystic as is > stated in the subject line of this post. He was a realist. Only that. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful saying. I have a problem. This daily life often takes me > out > > > > > of this spirituality. I often drained off by the thoughts of > wanting > > > > > and fearing. I can't speak spiritual in other forums such as > Merchant > > > > > Navy forums, which they dislike. Can anyone have a separate life > one > > > > > for professional and for personal? People have multiple faces, they > > > > > don't speak truth or even they don't know that they are possessed > by > > > > > egoic thoughts. If you point out their egoic way of thiking, they > get > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid I wanted to be constantly aware of my inner peace and > > > > > remain in peace. But it doesn't seem to happen. My energy levels > are > > > > > going down. Can I be enlightened? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > > > > J.Suresh > > > > > New No.3, Old No.7, > > > > > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > > > > > Alwarpet, > > > > > Chennai - 600018 > > > > > Ph: 044 42030947 > > > > > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
