Joe,

The secretive and guarded 'wine cellar' analogy is misleading.  We're selling 
water by the river, remember?

...Bill! 

--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
> 
> You've had a taste of my tough love.  See?, that sweet stuff was not so bad.
> 
> And I see you're set on keeping the wine cellar (contents) to yourself.  
> That's a very personal decision.  ;-)
> 
> The gentleman DOES have a sweet-tooth!
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > 
> > You speak the truth about the way I discovered/uncovered Just THIS!  But my 
> > reference in this thread was to the ESSENCE of zen, not the various routes 
> > you can or should try taking to discover/uncover the essence.
> > 
> > As I am sure you know zen literature sometimes refers to what I call 
> > 'fluff' as the 'finger pointing to the moon', or 'the boat which takes you 
> > to the other shore'.  In my experience, and I see it all the time on this 
> > Forum, one of the biggest difficulties people have with zen practice is 
> > getting mesmerized by the finger or too comfortably settled-in to a 
> > perpetual boat cruise.
> > 
> > Some people need love.  Some need tough-love.  You can give them the former 
> > and I will give them the latter.
> > 
> > Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
>




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