Joe, I agree. For me 'illusion' implies there is probably some basis behind it, whereas 'fantasy' implies pure, well...fantasy!
Both however are not experiential - in my very narrow and restrictive definition of 'experience' as being only 'sensual experience'. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > I'd say that fantasy is self-induced illusion, usually voluntary. > > I'd say that illusion is bastardized reality, not usually voluntarily > created, and operates to our detriment, and to the detriment of others > associated with us. It is pernicious, and awakening can remove it. > > --Joe > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Merle, > > > > Yes, all concepts. I usually don't call them 'fantasy' but 'illusions'. > > There's not much difference between the two. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
