Joe, The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE BLUE CLIFF RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat
"A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid them?" Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no cold and no heat?" The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no heat?" Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when heat comes, heat totals the monk."" ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Siska, > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva. > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the tongue? > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at all. It > doesn't even stink. > > --Joe > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It has to do > of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it is warm or > cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks if you'll tell us a > better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" is jake with me, and > everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so. > > > siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > Nah, body and mind won't "know" whether it is warm or cold. To borrow > > Bill's term, it would be Just This! > > > > > The classic Zen story about this uses the word "know" (but I am not sure > > > about what the original Chinese is). > > > > Which classic Zen story? I'm interested to learn the chinese character. > > > > Siska > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
