Bill!,

It's nice.  Is that the Cleary? (transl.).

We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as:

"KILL yourself with heat and cold".

--Joe

> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE BLUE CLIFF 
> RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat
> 
> "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid them?"
> 
> Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no cold and no 
> heat?"
> 
> The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no heat?"
> 
> Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when heat 
> comes, heat totals the monk.""
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> >
> > Siska,
> > 
> > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva.
> > 
> > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue.  Are you the tongue?
> > 
> > All other knowings are fraudulent.  Two-plus-two?  Has no taste at all.  It 
> > doesn't even stink.
> > 
> > --Joe
> > 
> > PS  Classic Zen story may be a koan.  Let me look in Mumonkan.  It has to 
> > do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it is warm 
> > or cold.  Maybe Mumonkan Case One.  Let's both see.  Thanks if you'll tell 
> > us a better translation than "know".  Anyway, "know" is jake with me, and 
> > everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so.




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