Everything is an opportunity to awaken, to let the notion of self collapse under its contradictions allowing the weather to be felt in ever changing wonder.
The monks did not notice this opportunity, and not every bloke in the states notices it either, but the opportunities are as endless as our complaints. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Mar 30, 2013 6:41 AM, "Edgar Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mike, > > If that were true every bloke in America would be enlightened - at least > in the summer time. > > Get real! > > Edgar > > > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:09 AM, mike wrote: > > > > Bill!, Joe, > > I was using the expression (with Siska) to express the idea that you'll > know you've (unquestionably) experienced Buddha Nature the same way you > know your iced-tea is cold when you sip it on a hot summer's day > (paraphrasing the old story). There's nothing metaphysical about it. I > think it's a bit silly (to be honest!) to talk about Buddha Nature not > "knowing" if a drink is hot or cold. Buddha Nature is not some objective > noun 'out here', but operates thru us. Hot and cold maybe relative, but > you'll certainly know if your soup is hot if you drop it in your lap! > > Mike > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > The Cleary translation is pretty much the same except the last response. > It is, "When it's cold, the cold kills you, when it's hot, the heat kills > you." > > > > The translation I used was from Jivacandra, a zen blogger from San > Francisco. I don't know much about him but just wanted a version of the > koan I could cut and paste. His translation seemed to express the same > message to me - and that is when realizing Buddha Nature you are just > experiencing. There is no cold, no heat - Just THIS! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > It's nice. Is that the Cleary? (transl.). > > > > > > We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as: > > > > > > "KILL yourself with heat and cold". > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE > BLUE CLIFF RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat > > > > > > > > "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid > them?" > > > > > > > > Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no > cold and no heat?" > > > > > > > > The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no > heat?" > > > > > > > > Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when > heat comes, heat totals the monk."" > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > > > > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva. > > > > > > > > > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the > tongue? > > > > > > > > > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at > all. It doesn't even stink. > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It > has to do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it > is warm or cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks if you'll > tell us a better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" is jake with me, > and everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so. > > > > > > > > > >
