Hi Joe,

Who is tongue? ;-)

Siska
-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe" <[email protected]>
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:08:19 
To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Zen] hand up!

Siska,

You are one stubborn Bodhisattva.

Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue.  Are you the tongue?

All other knowings are fraudulent.  Two-plus-two?  Has no taste at all.  It 
doesn't even stink.

--Joe

PS  Classic Zen story may be a koan.  Let me look in Mumonkan.  It has to do of 
course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it is warm or cold.  
Maybe Mumonkan Case One.  Let's both see.  Thanks if you'll tell us a better 
translation than "know".  Anyway, "know" is jake with me, and everything else 
is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so.

> siska_cen@... wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> Nah, body and mind won't "know" whether it is warm or cold. To borrow Bill's 
> term, it would be Just This!
> 
> > The classic Zen story about this uses the word "know" (but I am not sure 
> > about what the original Chinese is).
> 
> Which classic Zen story? I'm interested to learn the chinese character.
> 
> Siska



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