Mike, I'm not denying that cause-and-effect seems to provide independent conditioning in the world of forms (illusions), I'm saying like the world of forms the concept of cause-and-effect is just a projection of our rational mind. It's not something that exists 'out there' independent of intellect.
This is a good example of the question: "If a tree falls in the forest and no one (human) is there, is there a sound?" No, there isn't. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > <br/>Don't worry, he'll get there. Even Dogen favoured an interdependent > universe that depends on our actions to determine its causal structure. It is > possible to jump off that roundabout, but it's not by denying cause and > effect (the Fox koan) as illusion.<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
