Edgar, Experience. There are not multiple experiences. Just THIS! ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Experience? or Experiences? > > ExperienceS of individual experienceS is of the world of forms. > > Pure experiencE without individual experienceS is consciousness of the > formless and Buddha Nature itself. > > The meaning of "Dwelling nowhere awaken the mind." > > Edgar > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Merle, > > > > GREAT QUESTION! > > > > Experience is real. Nothing else. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Â bill!..so what is real to you?... something you select?...merle > > > > > > > > > Â > > > Merle, > > > > > > See my previous reply. Both are illusory. > > > > > > In the case of Yin/Yang they are presented as an analog (relativistic) > > > system instead of the usual Good/Bad digital (absolutist) system. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â so bill:,,,how come there is ying and yang?.... which one is the > > > > illusion?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > There are not two sides of the coin. There is only one. What you > > > > perceive as the 'other side' is a dualistic - an illusion. > > > > > > > > The illusion of 'being human' and believing that to be 'special' or > > > > 'unique' is no different from the illusion of self. Both these > > > > illusions (all illusions really) only server to create an illusory > > > > distinction from what you then perceive is 'everything else'. Duality > > > > is this two-sided coin you have created. > > > > > > > > Of course I suffer. I do so because I get sucked into (attach) to > > > > illusion the same as everyone else. Even after attaching to illusion > > > > and when the attachment fades enough I then do remember that this is > > > > all illusion; and yes it does ameliorate the immediate suffering and > > > > eventually dissolves it entirely. > > > > > > > > I would certainly comfort someone who is suffering. I would try to > > > > assure them that things will get better. BUT, even in their time of > > > > greatest sorrow if they asked me IN ALL EARNESTNESS (as is the litany > > > > in most koans) how to alleviate the suffering I would tell them the > > > > truth. Suffering is caused by attachment to illusions. I would actually > > > > not just tell them this but would suggest they sit (zazen) because just > > > > telling someone something is not really effective. They must experience > > > > it for themselves. I personally don't believe misleading someone is > > > > helpful to bring them to this experience. > > > > > > > > I sometimes feel you display a balanced, patronizing relativism that > > > > may serve to reinforce your illusion of compassion, but in practice > > > > falls woefully short. > > > > > > > > The koan HYAKUJO AND THE FOX was indeed about the percieved interplay > > > > between absolutism and relativism. The warning however was not just > > > > about absolutism, it included relativism also. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
