Edgar, The Eightfold Path and all the rest of these are not part of Buddha Nature (zen). They are part of Buddhism...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Glad to know you agree that Zen tradition has nothing to do with Zen.... > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:27 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > I object. > > > > Any characterizations like The Eightfold Path, the Five (or Eight or Ten) > > Precepts, the Ten Commandments, the Four Bodhisattva Vows, Three French > > Hens, Two Turtle Doves or a single Partridge in a Pear tree are just > > gobbledygook to me. > > > > Who took a Path and divided it up into eight parts? WTF? > > > > Just sit (zazen) and experience Buddha Nature. Then you won't need all > > these lists someone else made up. You'll know for yourself. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Well, you've given me something to think about, there. Thanks. > > > > > > Because, in fact, my sometime-claim here has been that the Ten Grave > > > Precepts are the behavior of a Buddha, an awakened person. Not the Noble > > > Eightfold Path. But, err-r, let me THINK about that. > > > > > > I'd say it is probably a description of the behavior of a Buddha, also -- > > > and I have never thought in this way before, so THANKS! -- AND, as you > > > say here, Mike, it is a prescription for the undoing of suffering caused > > > by attachment. In this way, I feel that the "NEP" is more prescriptive > > > and normative than the Precepts are, and that they are and were meant to > > > be. I still feel that the Precepts are more descriptive, even though they > > > may at first reading(s) look like a list of "Thou Shalt not" injunctions. > > > > > > But the Noble Eightfold Path as a description of the behavior of a > > > Buddha... . That's GOOD. Well, I'm not sure why not! Does anybody object? > > > > > > I'll sleep on it, too, and see how it looks in the morning light. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Although Joe is correct that the NEP describes the action of a Buddha, > > > > it is also useful as a guide to ethical and wise living. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
