Is this illusion of the senses akin to Kant's Ding an sich? That we can never 
know the objects of our senses but only what our senses perceive.




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From: Joe <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, April 18, 2013 11:01:51 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Hello

  
Edgar,

We observe how they work through the senses. Understanding them this way is 
perfectly circular. And that is our reality. So, I'd say, don't play it up as 
something special. We have what we have and make of it what we will.

The understanding you build of things like this is a model. It is nothing 
better 
or closer to reality than that. It is a model.

The view you express has a technical term, and it is not a put-down. It is an 
accurate and polite categorization: "Naive Realism".

There you have it. Make of "IT" what you will, also.

Many of us have been there, done that. Especially the Scientists among us.

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> 
> Of course you are right and Bill is wrong. The senses are illusions. They are 
>not reality as it actually is. This is abundantly clear to anyone who 
>understands how they work...


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