Yes! Yes! Yes!
--- In [email protected], "mike" <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> 'Suchness' needs no explanation or knowledge. It just is as it is. When
> body-mind is dropped (usually by 'grace' - not by thinking about it) there is
> a 'crack where the Light comes in'. In other words, when we're "cracked open"
> all that remains is Suchness. No eyes, no nose, no path, no suffering, no end
> of suffering, no models, no science, no diligence, no Edgar, no ontological
> energy, ... to paraphrase the Sutra.
>
> Mike
>
> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > He could reach the usual Zen state of mindlessness that Bill e.g.
> > describes, but he could not really understand completely the 'true nature
> > of things', nor I'm sure can anyone living today as the science is not
> > complete though I'm working diligently on it.
> >
> > However it was common knowledge even to ancient Indian sages that 'all
> > forms are empty' which is the key insight. However to completely understand
> > how all that works and exactly how forms reveal reality one must solve what
> > I call the 'quantum koan' and all the other related koans via diligent
> > study.
> >
> > Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:27 PM, mike wrote:
> >
> > > Edgar,
> > >
> > > What about the satori of an illiterate peasant a thousand years ago; are
> > > you saying he couldn't have been awakened unless he first understood
> > > "ontological energy" and the science of the brain? If you're not, then
> > > your 'models' are just more noise for the mind.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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