Mike,

I agree.  Some of the Quantum Mechanics practitioners I know are some of the 
most dense and obtuse people.  They are good in their publications, but their 
exorcism of belief in hard-materiality does not percolate deep, or whatsoever, 
into their personal life or psyche.  And I think that, by now, since the 1920s 
development of QM, it is even beginning to harden in their professional work: 
their non-deterministic QM has become hide-bound, hard materialism.

This is not surprising.  Scientists are human.  I believe that what has 
happened and is happening is what a Tibetan Lama warned about in the 1970s, and 
his most popular book bears the title which can stand alone and can even 
substitute for a reading of the book: CUTTING THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM, of 
Lama Chogyam Trungpa.  The practice of QM has become an entirely materialistic 
practice and behavior.  It's not new stuff anymore, and hence it has hardened 
in three or four generations.  It's practice does not give insight: it is 
merely technical, formulaic, dead, and stultifying.

After the founding of any new religion comes Doctrine, and dogma.  "The thrill 
is gone!"

That's what we've (they've) got, now.  And their personal lives and psyche 
mirror this faithfully, phase-locked.

What was once quicksand is now cured concrete, and they have both feet planted 
in it.  Can they really take a step?  No.  But a few decades of effective Zen 
training and body practice could turn them back into some kind of human beings. 
 Then, maybe Natural Science could progress.  Maybe by taking big backward 
steps, and getting things right.

Dark Matter is a big, BIG embarrassment to hard science.  Forty-plus years, 
now.  Nothing done.

We don't even have to mention Dark Energy.

--Joe

> "mike" <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Joe (well, Edgar actually),
> 
> But so what (not the bit about blind people)? Quantum physicists are also 
> very knowledgable about the transience of matter, and thus the impermanent 
> nature of reality, but the mere knowledge of it doesn't awaken them. It has 
> to be experienced. 
> 
> Mike 




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