Joe,

I'm not a scientist (quite obviously!), so I didn't know what kind of a state 
it was in. What's it going to take for the revolutionary paradigm shift that it 
sounds like it needs?

Mike

Ps It's ok not to respond if the subject upsets you.


--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> 
> The sci. method can be, and is, and has been, polluted by prejudice, and by 
> hardening of expedient method into Doctrinal method.  This always happens in 
> Religion, if the mystical- or practice-wing of the religion does not survive, 
> or becomes isolated or "underground" and secret.  For example, I think that 
> Christian Contemplative practitioners are a little (lot) closer to their 
> fundamental Humanity (Buddha Nature, or Christ-Nature) than doctrinaire 
> Christians of any professed stripe.
> 
> No, I don't stress that scientists' practice is polluted by politics, and of 
> course it is.  But more fundamentally, it is polluted and disabled by 
> Doctrine, and hard-rock Materialism, where there should be none.  It's just 
> that scientists don't happen to know better than other people how not to be 
> trapped by materialistic thought and behavior.  This happens not so that 
> scientists can get along with politicians or funders, but because scientists 
> are human, and practice tends to harden and become materialistic, ...if it is 
> just ...Mechanical.
> 
> I'll stop; this is making me sad.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > "mike" <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > 
> > That sounds like quite a disturbing state of affairs if scientists are so 
> > bogged down in dogma and methods because they could be influenced into ways 
> > of thinking that don't come from the scientific method itself I.e, from 
> > politics, prejudices, beliefs etc. Could it be said that the scientific 
> > method is the zazen of science (in keeping the bastards honest)?
>




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