bill!..you agree with this surely?...opening the mind?..merle Bill,
Zen neither empties or fills your mind. The very concept of this dualism is incorrect. Zen is simply opening mind to what is. It is pure consciousness of either the forms or the formless.. And btw it is NOT "your mind". It is simply consciousness antecedent to any distinction of self and not-self... Edgar On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: >Edgar, > >Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. > >I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills it up. > >Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? > >..Bill! > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: >> >> > Edgar, >> > >> > I see your problem now. >> > >> > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like >> > knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things until you >> > get down to Just THIS! >> > >> > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from Level 2 to >> > Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - Buddha Nature. >> > >> > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bill, >> > > >> > > That's Niels, not Neal. >> > > >> > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! >> > > :-) >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > > >> > > > Edgar, >> > > > >> > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied incorrectly. I erased >> > > > that but if you get the posts by email you might have received it. If >> > > > you did please disregard. My corrected post is *** >> > > > >> > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage Two and >> > > > and now ready for Stage One! >> > > > >> > > > ...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill, >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses stage two >> > > > > "mountains are no longer mountains". >> > > > > >> > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are realized to be >> > > > > the true reality. Then mountains become mountains again.. >> > > > > >> > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... >> > > > > >> > > > > Edgar >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >
