bill!..maybe emptying the cup and opening the mind are both the same thing..check with edgar...you 2 seem to be at loggerheads over this..why? can you not agree to disagree?..merle
No, I can't say I do. At least not entirely. Edgar's teacup is about 3/4 full. He wants to keep filling it up. I'm advising him to empty it out. I'm not sure what he means by 'opening the mind'. That sounds nice an new-agey, but what does it mean? Does it mean emptying his cup? Or does it mean breaking his cup? I think he should just empty his cup and go from there. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â > Â bill!..you agree with this surely?...opening the mind?..merle > Â > Bill, > > Zen neither empties or fills your mind. The very concept of this dualism is > incorrect. > > Zen is simply opening mind to what is. It is pure consciousness of either the > forms or the formless.. > > And btw it is NOT "your mind". It is simply consciousness antecedent to any > distinction of self and not-self... > > Edgar > > > > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > Â > >Edgar, > > > >Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. > > > >I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills it up. > > > >Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? > > > >..Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > >> Bill, > >> > >> As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >> > Edgar, > >> > > >> > I see your problem now. > >> > > >> > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like > >> > knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things until you > >> > get down to Just THIS! > >> > > >> > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from Level 2 to > >> > Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - Buddha Nature. > >> > > >> > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Bill, > >> > > > >> > > That's Niels, not Neal. > >> > > > >> > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! > >> > > :-) > >> > > > >> > > Edgar > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Edgar, > >> > > > > >> > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied incorrectly. I > >> > > > erased that but if you get the posts by email you might have > >> > > > received it. If you did please disregard. My corrected post is *** > >> > > > > >> > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage Two and > >> > > > and now ready for Stage One! > >> > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Bill, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses stage two > >> > > > > "mountains are no longer mountains". > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are realized to > >> > > > > be the true reality. Then mountains become mountains again.. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Edgar > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ...Bill! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
