Joe,

What you wrote below is fine and I agree with it.  I also think an 'empty mind' 
is compatible to everything written below.  I do not think a mind full of 
concepts (illusions) is compatible.

...Bill!


--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Hiya, Merle!, Edgar, and Bill!, et al.,
> 
> I post the words of two Dharma teachers, not necessarily Zen teachers, who 
> know something and teach something about Attention, and about direct, 
> unmitigated Experience (reality).
> 
> I'd say an empty cup enables clear receptivity, and the mind is then most 
> open.  But, when the mind is most open, there is no mind (of yours; of mine), 
> and, so, talk of *a* mind is moot, and we spell it "Mind", instead, ...and 
> don't talk about it, at all!  
> 
> --Joe
> 
> "Mindfulness, also called wise attention, helps us see what we're adding to 
> our experiences, not only during meditation sessions but also elsewhere."
> 
> ~Sharon Salzberg
> 
> "The Dhamma is revealing itself in every moment, but only when the mind is 
> quiet can we understand what it is saying, for the Dhamma teaches without 
> words."
> 
> ~Ajahn Chah
> 
> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > 
> > bill!..maybe emptying the cup and opening the mind are both the same 
> >thing..check with edgar...you 2 seem to be at loggerheads over this..why?
> [snip]
>




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