AGREE can we end this NOW?
--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> The only certainty is through effective practice, learned properly from a
> good teacher and practiced face to face with said teacher, and with a group.
>
> I started the conversation, yes, in praise of practice and recovering our
> full human inheritance. Not as a long backward look at Human evolution.
> Practice is in the present, and there's no time like it. If the moment is
> not ripe now, then when?
>
> The discussion of the use of reason and figuring-out as far as awakening is
> concerned is already long since settled: it does not enter, and hinders.
> After awakening, one uses everything freely, provided one continues to
> practice. But for awakening, reason is moot, and instead creates a blockage
> when invoked. One must drop it, and one easily does, if one keeps to one's
> method of practice and allows the body to save its life. Methods are
> compassionately passed from teacher to student: that is the only way to learn.
>
> To borrow a figure from Edgar, our practice is "99 percent" physical.
>
> There is no mind.
>
> The feeling that one is "reasoning", and "figuring-out" in Zen, is engaging
> in illusion. One has to drop all such by keeping to one's method of
> practice. That method of practice is not "thinking".
>
> But, neither books nor internet Fora, however kindly and caring, can teach
> how to practice. Fortunately, there are teachers. They have the bottom line
> on the subject, because they embody it, which is what we should do, and can
> do.
>
> --Joe
>
> > William Rintala <brintala@> wrote:
> >
> > And yet you are the one who started this conversation. It has been my
> > understanding that the primary message of Buddhism was addressing
> > suffering. What it is and how to stop it. The Buddha was not searching or
> > teaching ways to survive crises but to end suffering. I can agree that
> > survivability might be enhanced by being fully in the moment but I see no
> > certainty of it. In my readings of Zen the moment of Death is often
> > addressed with an awareness and
> often a smile. The strawberry is so sweet.
>
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