Mike,
If so, it is still in the realm of practice, and one's experience in the
practice would constitute one's following practice instructions. It is not yet
awakening.
It's at or upon awakening that the differences, if there are any, between
Advaita and Ch'an or Zen awakening could be clear to someone, say, questioning
or "testing" the practitioner: a teacher in each tradition, say.
In the Ch'an realm, we reach no-mind. I think in Advaita, one reaches
"One-Mind", and stays there. The Vedantist does not speak about emptiness, I
don't think. And, there are deities.
The "sensing" and "total body-awareness" that one brings to bear in Ch'an
Silent-Illumination (maybe in Zen Shikantaza) is nothing special, but I don't
know if Vedantists have learned it in the way(s) taught by Hongzhi in China,
and Dogen in Japan. In fact, we can be sure the Vedantist did not learn it
from those sources.
I don't and can't claim to know if the practice experiences are the same;
someone may (know)! Or, at least claim it. ;-)
--Joe
> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Joe, Bill!, Would you say that the practice of feeling 'presence' or
> 'awareness' in Advaita Vedanta meditation is the same experience found in
> shikantaza.
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