Mike,

All the forms of the world are Buddha Nature and that includes strawberries...

However the taste of the strawberry is in your mind, it's a form carrying 
information about how your biological organism relates to the form of the 
strawberry...

Edgar



On May 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> Bill!
> 
> Yet the strawberry tastes so sweet! I just feel that your description of 
> Buddha Nature just doesn't seem to engage with life (and yet I know that as 
> 'Bill!' you do!). I think it goes back to the feeling I have that what you 
> say about Buddha Nature, although correct, only focuses on the Absolute. Life 
> is recognising both the relative and absolute as truth. Who wouldn't want to 
> enjoy the taste of a strawberry!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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> 
> From: Bill! <[email protected]>; 
> To: <[email protected]>; 
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Advaita 
> Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 8:18:46 AM 
> 
>  
> 
> Mike,
> 
> What you are asking about is the very essence of zen, IMO.
> 
> Non-dualistic (holistic) experience  is the very essence of shikantaza and 
> Buddha Nature as far as I'm concerned.  All zen teaching techniques (counting 
> breaths, koans, chanting, bowing, samu, kinhin, etc...) are employed to do 
> one thing:  stop your intellect from creating the illusion of duality.
> 
> When you are able to do this, to wipe away all illusions, what is left is 
> Buddha Nature or just holistic experience (sensual).  There is no 
> subject/object split.  There is no observer/observed, no 
> experience/experience.  There is Just THIS!
> 
> For example when you bite into a lemon there is no you/lemon split, no 
> taste/smell split, no sour/sweet split, no lemon/other fruit split.  There is 
> Just THIS!  It's later when your intellect kicks in and you start perceiving 
> (rather than just experiencing) that you start assigning categories like 
> lemon, yellow, sour, etc...
> 
> That's what I mean by 'no observer' and that's what 'shikantaza' means by 
> 'just sit', and 'clear mind' or 'no mind'.
> 
> If you'd like to read in more detail what I think about this you can go to:  
> The Origin of the Illusion of Self which is about the dualistic illusion of 
> self/other.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@... wrote:
> >
> > 
> Bill!,
> 
> I'm interested in your point that there is no observer when sitting 
> shikantaza. If so, are all sensations in the body-mind not experienced? If 
> they are experienced, who or what is experiencing them? 
> 
> I'm also interested in other member's perspectives on this when they get 
> passed the "He said - she said" current thread..
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
> >
> 
> 

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