Mike,

I plead the Fifth Amendment yerhonor.  ;-)

But I guess that only flies in USA (not sure).

Altruism is a different kettle of fish from what I am talking about, Mike.  And 
it does not prove a "self"; it shows selflessness.

Even though animals may not be dominated by the sense of a self, they seem 
nonetheless to show selflessness, yet concern for for their kind, as if 
selflessness is key to their survival.

Fish practice it, when they swim as a SWARM: they minimize the likelihood that 
any one fish will be predated: strength in numbers!  Their swarm behavior is a 
CONFUSION to the sharks and other feeders.  

Swarm-behavior is beautiful (for a bystander) to watch.  I loved the Autumnal 
bebavior of swarms of Blackbirds in New Jersey, as the October migration 
progressed.  Wow!  Such dragon-tailed flowing flocks, whipping against the sky. 
 Hundreds of thousands of noisy birds, making a cacophony I miss hearing in 
this dry desert the past quarter century.  It's been a while.

But it's just now Summer (up here, ...Merle!); let's not wish our lives away.

Aspire to?  I only aspire to what is Human, and most originally Human.  I can 
add the balance.

--Joe

> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Joe,<br/><br/>But that true nature doesn't involve the ability to choose such 
> 'higher' actions such as empathy and compassion. Their uncovered true nature 
> is to blindly follow an evolutionary instinct to survive and not much else. 
> As part of the animal kingdom ourselves we largely do this too, but there is 
> one important difference and that is we can transcend these impulses and 
> demonstrate those higher actions.  Hey, 4 years of law school here! You can't 
> wiggle out of my argument by claiming you've never seen a zombie or werewolf 
> movie. I'm sure you understand the premise: a zombie, once bitten, completely 
> and utterly follows its instinct to eat human flesh. Do you agree with Bill! 
> and Merle that this is something to admire and aspire to?



------------------------------------

Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are 
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/

<*> Your email settings:
    Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join
    (Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
    [email protected] 
    [email protected]

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    [email protected]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Reply via email to