Merle,

I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through zazen, does 
not involve a disconnection with the body.  It involves a disconnection with 
the illusion of self and all dualism.

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Merle,
> 
> No, the body is not a restraint.  It is a gateway - at least as far as zen is 
> concerned.  The body, or at least its ability to afford awareness of reality, 
> is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not only humans but all 
> beings as we know them.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> > i know this is a little crazy..however here i go.. 
> > 
> > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are in cyber 
> > space.... although we need the body to get the messages out there...mm that 
> > has me stumped!
> > 
> > would this body less be liken to the meditation  state that can be achieved 
> > once one has surpassed the breath counting saga?
> > 
> >  i have belief that monks can practise a form of meditation whereby the can 
> > slow the whole body/ mind totally down to an almost non existent state
> > 
> > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on slowing the mind 
> > down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so to speak?
> > 
> > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in the body that 
> > we do not have any control over what so ever...
> > 
> > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own thing 
> > regardless)...
> > 
> > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut
> > 
> >  my zen question is thus:  to be totally free ..the human body is it a 
> > restraint?
> > 
> >  merle
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Merle
> > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
> >
>



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