have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental delusion?...merle
Merle, I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post below. The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha Nature. The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delusion. Just as the experience of sight is real. The classification of it as 'a red bird' is the delusion. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is an illusion..try telling that > to someone bowled over and in agony...merle > > >  > Merle, > > I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through zazen, > does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves a disconnection > with the illusion of self and all dualism. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Merle, > > > > No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as far as zen > > is concerned. The body, or at least its ability to afford awareness of > > reality, is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not only humans > > but all beings as we know them. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > i know this is a little crazy..however here i go.. > > > > > > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are in cyber > > > space.... although we need the body to get the messages out there...mm > > > that has me stumped! > > > > > > would this body less be liken to the meditation  state that can be > > > achieved once one has surpassed the breath counting saga? > > > > > >  i have belief that monks can practise a form of meditation whereby the > > > can slow the whole body/ mind totally down to an almost non existent state > > > > > > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on slowing the > > > mind down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so to speak? > > > > > > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in the body > > > that we do not have any control over what so ever... > > > > > > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own thing > > > regardless)... > > > > > > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut > > > > > >  my zen question is thus:  to be totally free ..the human body is it a > > > restraint? > > > > > >  merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Merle > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > > > > > >
