bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle Merle,
I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe even think "Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain? What did I do to deserve this? I just want it to go away!". ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental delusion?...merle > > >  > Merle, > > I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post below. > > The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha Nature. > The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delusion. Just as the > experience of sight is real. The classification of it as 'a red bird' is the > delusion. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is an illusion..try telling > > that to someone bowled over and in agony...merle > > > > > >  > > Merle, > > > > I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through zazen, > > does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves a > > disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as far as > > > zen is concerned. The body, or at least its ability to afford awareness > > > of reality, is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not only > > > humans but all beings as we know them. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i know this is a little crazy..however here i go.. > > > > > > > > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are in cyber > > > > space.... although we need the body to get the messages out there...mm > > > > that has me stumped! > > > > > > > > would this body less be liken to the meditation  state that can be > > > > achieved once one has surpassed the breath counting saga? > > > > > > > >  i have belief that monks can practise a form of meditation whereby > > > > the can slow the whole body/ mind totally down to an almost non > > > > existent state > > > > > > > > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on slowing the > > > > mind down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so to > > > > speak? > > > > > > > > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in the body > > > > that we do not have any control over what so ever... > > > > > > > > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own thing > > > > regardless)... > > > > > > > > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut > > > > > > > >  my zen question is thus:  to be totally free ..the human body is > > > > it a restraint? > > > > > > > >  merle > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Merle > > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > > > > > > > > > >
