Dear Ryunen-san, Shakaymuni original enlightenment is in fact the same as our own original enlightenment or face. It is not that he was the first to discover it, it was that the was the first to reveal it to others. It has been the practice ever since for each of us to reveal our "original face" (in the eastern sense of face not to mean just our physical face, but rather our way of being before we "saved face" "gained face" or "lost face"). Original in this sense means from the origin. Not first or exclusively first.
I always hate it when we get down to discussing semantics. Words are so inadequate when it comes to this. Be Well Fudo jayryunen wrote: >>we are all already enlightened by >>Buddha's original enlightenment, > > > Ummm, is that quite what you mean? I've thought that Shakyamuni simply expressed > enlightenment that was present, not that he had the original enlightenment. > > My understanding is that our individual realization/actualization arises from > "original > face", which we have unknowingly expressed since beginningless time. > > >>and there is no need to "become" >>something we already are. We only need to uncover and allow our original >>enlightenment to become manifest. > > > Yes, that resonates. > > =)< > Ryunen ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
