> > --- e7carlos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> As I understand one create the concept of I, me and >> mine (ego) as a >> separated entity because it feels that way, ego >> makes its identity by >> attaching to things,other concepts and whatever >> comes into contact >> with the intellect, > Alex wrote: > The erroneous concept of separate self stems from > ignorance (avidya). Ignorance is beginningless, and as > such, has no reason for arising. If ignorance had a > beginning, we could identify the factor that came > before ignorance as being its reason d'etre, and than > that factor would be the primary link in the chain of > dependent origination (pratitya samutpada). > > However, there isn't anything that's preceding > ignorance (neither in time, nor conceptually). >
I suppose that it feels we are separate because we are ignorant from before conception or beginnesless time as the Theravada concept of dependent origination explains. Carlos wrote: >> so working towards the >> dettachment of de elements >> of is identity (buddhist practice) one is actually >> working towards the >> disolution of self (ego) because ego "is" that >> identity, > Alex wrote: > No, one is actually working towards correcting the > error. The act of correcting the error is called > shunyata. > > Once the error gets corrected, any notion of ego, of > separate personhood and self simply evaporates, as if > it never ever was even noticeable. > as I understand correcting the error is understanding reality by experiencing Shunyata or emptiness of self and objects and according to the deep of the experience the self evaporates and is my idea that unless one disappear another ego is created to be able to relate to others (someone have to talk) Carlos wrote: >> as I >> understand to dettach from these elements of >> identity is very hard >> that is why we sit in meditation, > Alex wrote: > Hui-neng, the Sixth Patriarch, said: "Ultimate > realization has to do with correctly aligning one's > mind. It has nothing to do with sitting." > It is my understanding that the whole of the dharma is only to correctly aligning one's mind (whatever that is) and awaken to reality, not to show how the life of an enlightened being is, when the raft (dharma) is left on the other shore, one simply is whatever is fit to be. Carlos wrote: >> In my case with respect to the attachment to the >> shop ,meaning, "I am >> it" is very strong and this ego looks as if it wants >> a total >> explanation as why I am not going to be carlos the >> man in the shop >> anymore. or I am a coward that can not trow >> everything away, but when >> I am at the shop it realy feels as if it is home. > Alex wrote: > If you muster the courage and get rid of the shop, > that will not mean that you've gotten rid of the > attachments. The ego will quickly find something else > to latch on to. The ego is ingenious that way, in that > it always quickly finds its comfort zones (even in the > most disastrous circumstances). > > What you need to do is get rid of the ego, not of the > things it attaches to. Cure the cause, not the > symptoms. > > Alex > > > ===== > No karma was produced during the composition of this letter > > I believe that there was karma created during my writing, this ego feels all over the place. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Give hope to a child. Helping a needy child is easier than you think. Click here to meet someone who needs your help. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hq3f6C/iJlJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
