you win. i no longer wish to argue with you for it does neither one 
of us any good. there is a lesson in everything we do and there one 
was learned here. i will post things related to zen such as phrases 
or what not but i will also post what i think for this is the 
practicality of zen. Mack

heres one- " and the truth shall set you free." Jesus Christ







--- In [email protected], "Spider63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "mackkup" <> this is where you are wrong, the home page does 
not say
> you have to
> > read,study,practice zen to be part of this group.>>
> 
> If you read the Home Page now you will notice it specifically does 
say that
> you need to read, study, and practice Zen to participate on this 
group.
> 
> >if you could see past your ego you would recognize that zen is 
about living
> right and being
>  a decent human being no matter what the circumstances. its also 
about not
> trying to push people away because they dont fit or form into their 
ideas of
> who should be in his or her group.>
> 
> This is about your ego. You admit not practicing zazen, and NOT 
reading
> anything about Zen, yet you believe that you know the essence of 
Zen. Based
> on what? A song you heard on the radio? What is the source of your 
belief?
> You have no source. Where is the well of your wisdom? It can be 
anything you
> want it to be. Christianity? A book? Your best friend? A teacher? A 
class
> that you took?
> 
> Others post, and it bothers you when they refer to Zen books or 
Buddhist
> scripture. That is your ego talking. The shallow sound that 
knowledge makes
> when it bounces off of your ego. It is about your ego refusing to 
read a Zen
> book, and presuming to discuss Zen.
> 
> >i will continue to post here as i see fit. Mack>
> 
> I have suggested that you join the free-form Street Fighting Zen 
list. I
> keep the hope that you will say something profound that comes from 
that
> place within you that you claim that you have cultivated. But I 
think it is
> clear that you are more like a little boy who refuses to do his 
homework and
> wants to be recognized on the Honor Roll along with the kids who 
work hard
> and study.
> 
> If you think that you are learning from yourself without any kind 
of study
> or practice; then you are fooling yourself. If you never lay the 
groundwork
> and seed it and nurture the knowledge, you cannot reap a deeper
> understanding. There is a saying in the Bible, Hosea 8:7 that says:
> 
>        "They sow the wind
>        and reap the whirlwind.
>        The stalk has no head;
>        it will produce no flour."




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