"A DISCUSSION AFTER ALL . !"
Dear Bill!,
Hold on a minute - there may be a discussion in here after all!
In your view, is consciousness itself dualistic?
Monk 1 says: "The flag is moving."
Monk 2 says: "The wind is moving."
Bill! says: "There is no movement; what is there to move?"
Rod says: "How interesting; there is movement!"
If you are not going to "notice" (be conscious of the fact) that you are in
Buddha nature ("how interesting!") why even try, oops sorry "allow", it to
happen.
I would suggest that consciousness itself does not imply dualism. It is
because we use our consciousness to judge that makes it dualistic. You do
not have to apply judgement to the movement "what is moving?" but you do not
have to deny it either "what is there to move?" but in noticing "there is
movement" is where the magic of our journey lies .
Gassho!
DC
P.S. What does Gassho mean?
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Bill Smart
Sent: Monday 07 November 2005 09:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Zen] What is Zen?
Dear Dangerous,
I'll disagree with you on this one just for the fun of discussion...
Change is relative. If you are not in synch (resonance/one-with)
with Buddha Nature you will beleive either you are changing or
Buddha Nature is changing. If you are in synch (resonance) with
Buddha nature then there is no change (or if you'd prefer, no
PERCEPTION of change). I'll take some liberties with the zen story
about the three monks observing a flag waving in the wind. One monk
said the flag is moving. One monk said the wind is moving. One
monk said the mind is moving. Bill! says there is no movement; what
is here to move?
In truth term-pairs like changing/contant are dualistic and
cannot/should not be applied to Buddha Nature. So...in the spirit
of one of the other discussion threads on this forum if you were to
ASK me 'Is Buddha Nature contstant?', I would have to reply 'MU!!!'.
Gassho...Bill!
--- In [email protected], "Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Exactly. Just to re-iterate:
>
> "Like the universe however, our true nature is not a "steady
state" but
> constantly in flux."
>
> And to continue the theme:
>
> When we get close, we begin to experience "resonance", or what
ZB's call
> "satori".
>
> The challenge we face is constantly to re-align ourselves in order
to stay
> close to our "true nature".
>
> "Satori", "enlightenment" call it what you will, is a very dynamic
state.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf
> Of Bill Smart
> Sent: Sunday 06 November 2005 08:01
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Zen] What is Zen?
>
> --- In [email protected], "Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Zen is just one method (of many) by which we attempt to align
> ourselves with
> > our true nature.
> >
> > DC
> Rod, Thanks for your response. I especially like it because
you've
> described zen as a 'method' instead of a 'state'. That doesn't
mean
> it's better than the other responses; just closer to what I mean
when
> I say the word 'zen'.
>
> Gassho...Bill!
>
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