At 03:10 AM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >--- In [email protected], "Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "A DISCUSSION AFTER ALL . !" > > > > Dear Bill!, > > > > Hold on a minute - there may be a discussion in here after all! > > > > In your view, is consciousness itself dualistic? > >Yes. > > > > > > Monk 1 says: "The flag is moving." > > Monk 2 says: "The wind is moving." > > Bill! says: "There is no movement; what is there to move?" > > Rod says: "How interesting; there is movement!" > >Your forgot the most important one! Monk 3 says: "Your mind is >moving." > >So if you say ` there is movement ', then I ask you, `What is >moving?' > > > If you are not going to "notice" (be conscious of the fact) that >you are in > > Buddha nature ("how interesting!") why even try, oops >sorry "allow", it to > > happen. > >When you become conscious of `the fact' that you are `in Buddha >Nature', you are not! Just as when you are sitting zazen and >think `Gee, I'm really sitting well today!', you are not! ( or are >no longer). > > > I would suggest that consciousness itself does not imply dualism. >It is > > because we use our consciousness to judge that makes it dualistic. >You do > > not have to apply judgement to the movement "what is moving?" but >you do not > > have to deny it either "what is there to move?" but in >noticing "there is > > movement" is where the magic of our journey lies . > > >Consciousness (which I take to mean `awareness of self') does imply >dualism. As soon as you are consciously aware of the movement you >have introduced dualism. Of course you have applied judgment. >You've `judged' that there is movement as opposed to quiescence. >You might have also further judged that it is the flag that's >moving, that the flag is red, that a red flag means danger, that >you'd better run, but no maybe you better stay and help others, >etc If you're CONSCIOUS of all that train of thought, then you >have constructed the world of duality. There's nothing WRONG with >doing that. That's what humans do! Just don't attach `your self' >to these activities. They just happen. > >Maybe you mean something else when you use the term `conscious'?
So, in other words, if one sees a flag moving in the wind, don't confuse the experience by engaging in idle metaphysical speculation. Ian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Click here to rescue a little child from a life of poverty. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rAWabB/gYnLAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
