--- In [email protected], "Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "A DISCUSSION AFTER ALL . !"
>
> Dear Bill!,
>
> Hold on a minute - there may be a discussion in here after all!
>
> In your view, is consciousness itself dualistic?
Yes.
>
> Monk 1 says: "The flag is moving."
> Monk 2 says: "The wind is moving."
> Bill! says: "There is no movement; what is there to move?"
> Rod says: "How interesting; there is movement!"
Your forgot the most important one! Monk 3 says: "Your mind is
moving."
So if you say `
there is movement
', then I ask you, `What is
moving?'
> If you are not going to "notice" (be conscious of the fact) that
you are in
> Buddha nature ("how interesting!") why even try, oops
sorry "allow", it to
> happen.
When you become conscious of `the fact' that you are `in Buddha
Nature', you are not! Just as when you are sitting zazen and
think `Gee, I'm really sitting well today!', you are not! (
or are
no longer).
> I would suggest that consciousness itself does not imply dualism.
It is
> because we use our consciousness to judge that makes it dualistic.
You do
> not have to apply judgement to the movement "what is moving?" but
you do not
> have to deny it either "what is there to move?" but in
noticing "there is
> movement" is where the magic of our journey lies .
Consciousness (which I take to mean `awareness of self') does imply
dualism. As soon as you are consciously aware of the movement you
have introduced dualism. Of course you have applied judgment.
You've `judged' that there is movement as opposed to quiescence.
You might have also further judged that it is the flag that's
moving, that the flag is red, that a red flag means danger, that
you'd better run, but no maybe you better stay and help others,
etc
If you're CONSCIOUS of all that train of thought, then you
have constructed the world of duality. There's nothing WRONG with
doing that. That's what humans do! Just don't attach `your self'
to these activities. They just happen.
Maybe you mean something else when you use the term `conscious'?
> P.S. What does Gassho mean?
Now that we have a real Japanese-speaker in our midst I'll have to
be very careful about what I say. I THINK `gassho' is a
transliteration of a Japanese word meaning `thank you', or `in
thanks'; but maybe it means BOTH `thank you' and `f**k off' - and
even an empty response such as `whatever'. I'll look to Ryhorikawa
for 'further enlightenment' :-)...
Gassho...Bill!
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