On Friday, December 09, 2005 8:41 AM tszymans30 wrote: >Actually, Wittgenstein wanted to draw a line between what is possible >to say and what is impossible to say. This is very compatible with a zen perspective on the limitations of verbal communication.
>He said [his?] philosophy made problems >disappear because his aim was to show that a large majority of classic >philosophical problems are "seeming" problems. He wanted to proove >this thesis and make the problems disappear. He wanted to provide >methods for examining sentences if they are philosophically solvable >or not. This is might be compatible with zen. Although I don't really know what is meant by 'seeming problems', I assume that means they only 'seem' to be problems because of the limitations of the language used to describe or explain them. In this respect LW might have used 'seeming' in somewhat the same sense as zen language uses 'illusory'. What do you think? >He didn't meant there were nothing apart of what we can >describe with our language. He wanted to clearly point that what is >impossible to describe with language it can be solved with words. >Kind regards, >Tomek I didn't fully understand this thought the way you have phrased it. Zen teaches there are definitely things that cannot be described by language, and in fact that there are things that cannot be comprehended by (are incompatible with) thought itself. It is taught that the very act of thinking introduces a subject/object perspective thereby prohibiting (or at least inhibiting) a direct experience of reality. I think of it as analogous to the scientific axiom regarding Schrödinger's Cat. Put simply: the very act of observing an experiment changes (and in some cases in can be said to CAUSE or PERCIPITATE) the results. Is this anywhere in the same ballpark as Herr Wittgenstein? ...Bill! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
