>>JONATHAN KELLY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> previously posted: >>...Heidegger is the only serious philosopher of the last century... [and when challenged about that statement replied] >> What can I say...? It's a very controversial opinion (and not >> supported by any proofs).
>Tomek tszymans30 then posted: >Well, I have to say I am stunned. There's a good Roman rule which >states the prosecutor should show the evidence of the crime. So it >is your duty to justify such contoversial sentence because >statement "Heidegger is THE ONLY serious philosopher of the last >century" is equivalent to "Wittgenstein, Popper, Feyerabend, >Maritain, Einstein, all founders of modern theoretical physics and >many, many other great thinkers WEREN'T SERIOUS PHILOSOPHERS". >I visited your site and I found it interesting enough to study its >contents when I'll have more free time. Despite that I am sure you >haven't shown there that all those great thinkers weren't serious. I have been following these discussions with interest. I know next to nothing about Wittgenstein, Heidigger, etc... I am interested to know if and where their philosophies overlap zen teachings. But, I do want to comment on Tomek's reply above: I agree with Tomek that in the context of this discussion about philosophy and philosophers that any controversial statements ought to be able to be backed up with some 'proof'; be that argument or citing some sources. That is the nature of philosophy. Discussions about zen are not necessarily the same since zen is not the same as philosophy. Zen does not put any value in logical arguments and very little value in citing statements by other people. Zen is more about what YOU have to say (or do, or not do) - right NOW - as a response to THIS SITUATION; and not what someone else said at some other time in some other, even seemingly similar, situation. Even in discussion about philosophy, if you actually have an ORIGINAL thought you wouldn't be able to cite other sources, although you should be able to discuss it and present your arguments. I really appreciate Jonathan, Tomek, Ian and all the others who have responded for sharing their knowledge, opinions and insights on these philosophers, and helping me understand a little better about how they the are the same and are different than zen. Danke...Bill! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
