At 12:23 AM 12/9/2005, you wrote: >On Friday, December 09, 2005 8:41 AM tszymans30 wrote: > >Actually, Wittgenstein wanted to draw a line between what is possible > >to say and what is impossible to say. >This is very compatible with a zen perspective on the limitations of verbal >communication. > > >He said [his?] philosophy made problems > >disappear because his aim was to show that a large majority of classic > >philosophical problems are "seeming" problems. He wanted to proove > >this thesis and make the problems disappear. He wanted to provide > >methods for examining sentences if they are philosophically solvable > >or not. >This is might be compatible with zen. Although I don't really know what is >meant by 'seeming problems', I assume that means they only 'seem' to be >problems because of the limitations of the language used to describe or >explain them. In this respect LW might have used 'seeming' in somewhat the >same sense as zen language uses 'illusory'. What do you think? > > >He didn't meant there were nothing apart of what we can > >describe with our language. He wanted to clearly point that what is > >impossible to describe with language it can be solved with words. > >Kind regards, > >Tomek >I didn't fully understand this thought the way you have phrased it. Zen >teaches there are definitely things that cannot be described by language, >and in fact that there are things that cannot be comprehended by (are >incompatible with) thought itself. It is taught that the very act of >thinking introduces a subject/object perspective thereby prohibiting (or at >least inhibiting) a direct experience of reality.
I don't quite agree with this. It's not any and all thinking per se that introduces a dualistic perspective. It's grasping mind, which persists at a level below and provides a foundation for dualistic thought and emotion. If there is no grasping, then thinking is simply thinking, it is not a problem - it does not especially obscure anything. Ian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
