Good post, and thanks for finding what I knew was in the Book of Mormon, but
couldn't think of it.  My son should have, though, because Captain Moroni is
his hero. And note, he also wants to attend West Point, and I don't really
know which came first, but I think it was Capt. M.

I am eagerly awaiting JWR's response to this.  But he may be doing what I am
about to do - going to read that part of Alma again with a critical eye.

By the way, it is amazing what you can find when you read scripture with a
more careful approach.  I was reading Section 28 Sat evening, and noticed
that in it is the earliest indication I have seen in the writings of this
dispensation that the Church would outlast its current prophet (Brother
Joseph).  I put it in my talk Sunday, and when I gave that part, my wife
said the first counselor got out his scriptures and looked up something (he
was behind me so I didn't see him do this).  After my talk, he commented
that I had given some interesting new info, so my wife's comment cleared up
my confusion. (D&C 28:7)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:09 PM
Subject: [ZION] Attack Iraq?

> I've been reading (part of my normal reading thru the BoM, by chance, not
> by choice) the wars in Alma. I noted something this time that I hadn't
> noted before, probably because I was looking closer, given the
> discussions the past few weeks. Capt Moroni used aggressive tactics to
> ensure safety for his people. He was "pre-emptive" by clearing out the
> wildernesses of Lamanites, and building new cities in those areas to help
> keep the Lamanites out. These were areas unused by Nephites, perhaps a
> "no-man's land", but still occupied by the Lamanites. Without any threat
> from those idle Lamanites in the wilderness, he chased them out and built
> cities. Kind of reminds me of the Israelites in the West Bank...
> Anyway, Moroni saw the need to do pre-emptive actions to ensure the
> safety of his peoples against a known tyrant- Amalickiah. Amalickiah and
> his brother Ammoron were not Lamanites. They were Nephites, but took upon
> themselves the cause of the Lamanites in order to justify their attempts
> to take over the Nephite lands. This sounds similar to Saddam Hussein,
> who is not religious per se, but is co-opting Islam in order to become
> the next Saladin-emperor of an Arab/Islam empire. And, Marc, he DOES use
> religion for his purposes. Why else would a Baathist be paying $25K to
> the families of Islamic suicide bombers in Palestine? He shouldn't have
> any interest whatsoever in that conflict, nor anything against Israel,
> per se. However, he uses his funds to stir up conflict in Palestine, in
> order to get the Islam nations to rally around his actions and see him as
> the good guy.
> Although we don't have neighboring wilderness areas with Iraq, we live in
> a world where everyone can quickly get into each other's backyards and do
> some damage. Do we not have the same right as did Capt Moroni to be
> pre-emptive?
> I suppose it depends on our attitude. Are we doing it because we don't
> like Saddam and enjoy crushing other world-power-wannabees?  Or is it
> because we cherish freedom and democracy and see him as a clear and
> present danger to that freedom?
> How about Teancum? Was he righteous in his actions? Or will he burn in
> hell forever for assasinating Amalickiah and Ammoron? Just where does one
> draw the line between righteous action and unrighteous action? Clearly it
> isn't just in what one does, but why one does it.
> WWMD?  What Would Moroni Do? He hated bloodshed, but wasn't shy about
> using force when necessary.

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