Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours.

I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a 
political party.  My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and 
interests go was the ALP. I felt corruption (read, influence of the Gaddianton, or 
Rupert Murdoch, or both) was too much in the Liberal Party, that the Liberal Party had 
become the Tory Party by another name, and the common wealth would be ignored by such 
an organization.  Joining the Democrats or the Greens would have been a waste of time, 
in my opinion.  Incidentally, the Greens just this past week have won a seat in the 
federal parliaments House of Representatives for the first time ever.  It was a 
by-election (something you USAmericans don't have, with your fixed terms) and the 
normally strong Labor seat in Wollongong went to the Greens on preferences. (a 
different way of counting votes).  Labor is shell shocked, the Liberals couldn't have 
a bigger grin (they didn't run a candidate).  Politics is never dull.

I don't always win my battles within the party, but at least I get a chance, and no 
one is lining my pocket or appealing to my base instincts of greed.

There you go, I think my TR is in tact and my salvation.....   

How many members do nothing, when it comes to civic duties and responsibilities, in 
spite of encouragement from our prophet's and apostles, and what the scriptures tell 

Clifford M Dubery

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc A. Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 06:21
Subject: Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

As might your post wrt the list's charter :-/

If, otoh, he takes Pres. Jensen's approach, he works as a force for good from
within, then he's following the brethren's counsel.

Stephen Beecroft wrote:

> -Clifford-
> > Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a
> > communist as before the revolution or even earlier.  One would
> > think this some how negates his concerns about the poverty of
> > his people and the domination of his country by US corporations
> Yes, I suppose one might think that, if one had not been paying
> attention to the thread of discussion.
> > If being a Democrat in the US is a threat to ones worthiness,
> > where does that put me, a member of the Australian Labor Party?
> If your membership in the Australian Labor Party puts you in support of
> <deleted> and of expanding the influence of the <deleted>
> lobby, then I would say that puts you in a very precarious position
> indeed.
> Stephen

Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

“We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the
worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly
debated…To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was
a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one’s unmanly
character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was
totally unfitted for action.” – Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by
Thucydides in “The Peloponessian Wars”

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