Stephen Beecroft wrote:

> Gary, I agree with almost every point you've made here. So as not to
> make this solely a me-too post, let me add that when a writer (US
> citizen or alien) makes a statement like, "I love America but I hate
> Republicanism",

Why? Are you disallowing a journalist the right to a political point of view like
the rest of us? I know of at least two general authorities who came to "love
America" but decided that joining the Democrats was a better way of expressing
that love (N. Eldon Tanner and his uncle, Hugh B. Brown).

> that writer has shown himself to be duplicitous and
> untrustworthy. Any "good points" he goes on to make are then completely
> lost on me, because he has already proven himself a liar.
> Stephen
> Gary Smith wrote:
> > This is the problem with many liberal writers-they make statements from
> > the heart, regardless of whether they back up their statements with
> > facts, or if those facts are correct.
> > First off, the president has shown himself not to be a "mental
> > lightweight." Second, where is the evidence that Cheney is an "evil
> > power", especially when no actual misdeeds have been shown at Haliburton
> > Oil?  Third, Rumsfeld never was a senator, perhaps the author should try
> > looking up in the dictionary the difference between Secretary of Defense
> > and Attorney General????
> > So, if anyone is a "lightweight" here, it is the author of the article.
> > I know we USAmericans do have an enormous patriotism (at times), but we
> > also have a lot of suspicion. Isn't it interesting that discussions on
> > whether we should go to war with Iraq are right or not are going on in
> > this country? A blind patriot wouldn't have such discussions going on.
> > As
> > for "evil", I'll bet this guy still supports Clinton as a great
> > president. And how about those Democratic senators involved in Enron and
> > Global Crossing? Are they "evil" also? If you're going to call one
> > person
> > evil, then you at least need to be consistent. Finally, show you've at
> > least done some homework (who was this guy's copy editor, to let such
> > slop slip through?), and get the facts straight.
> >
> > I'm a historian (among other trades), and I've not only seen Ken Burns'
> > Civil War, but I've read several studies on it. yes, it was a tragedy.
> > But massive deaths on both sides only shows the tragedy of war, not its
> > justification. The North fought for union and to defeat slavery, while
> > the South fought for states' rights and to keep their slaves. All very
> > key issues for anyone calling himself an American. But a Canadian may
> > not
> > fully understand that, as Canada has never had to struggle with slavery,
> > states' rights, or a major fight to maintain its unity. It's kind of
> > like
> > an American today not understanding poverty or slavery, because we just
> > don't have it as drastic as other nations, unless they travel and live
> > in
> > another place for some time and learn to appreciate it. I like what
> > ex-Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver said when he returned from Russia,
> > "there is more freedom in an American jail than on the streets of
> > Moscow."
> >
> > Should cost only be counted in body bags? What is the total value of
> > freedom from terror, or to maintain our sovereignty? Ten body bags?
> > Twenty? One hundred? Or should we just curl up in a corner and accept
> > the
> > idea that no amount of body bags are worth the cost of freedom.
> >
> > Americans do not honor war. Americans honor freedom and those who defend
> > that great treasure, which only a minority of homo sapiens enjoy in this
> > world.  Flags fly, because unlike the flags of other nations (including
> > Canada's), ours represent our freedom and vision. It is a vision that
> > has
> > endured since Thomas Jefferson inked those sacred words on a piece of
> > parchment: "We hold these truths to be, liberty, and
> > the pursuit of happiness."
> >
> > Few nations have made a love of freedom so innate with the human spirit
> > as have Americans. This inspires some, and infuriates many who do not
> > have the same vision. The French, who seek equality and brotherhood,
> > cannot understand what real freedom is. This is why their revolution
> > failed. Most nations do not have a Jefferson or a Thomas Paine. Few have
> > men who are anything but "summer soldiers" that sneak home when the
> > winter chill is in the air. Few have a group of men willing to sign
> > their
> > death warrants on such a parchment as the Declaration of Independence,
> > or
> > to truly seek that freedom for all men; allowing that freedom to expand
> > to other groups not originally included, such as blacks and women.
> > Today,
> > there are many nations that still have slaves, and that still treat
> > women
> > like dogs. We stand as symbol which those nations hate. Should we be
> > ashamed of the truth and light we've brought to the world? "A city on a
> > hill cannot be hid, neither does one light a candle and place it under a
> > bushel."
> >
> > Perhaps what irritates me most is liberal duplicity and using the Iraq
> > war as an extension of their (and in this case, Canadian) vanity.
> >
> > K'aya K'ama,
> > Gerald/gary  Smith    gszion1    http://www
> >
> > "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free."
> > -
> > Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
> >
> > Marc quoting article:
> > On the other hand, we have the axis of Bush-Chaney-Rumsfeld. What a
> > triumvirate. The President is a mental lightweight. The Vice President
> > is the evil power behind the throne, the man who walked away from his
> > insider misdeeds at Halliburton Oil. (Remember too that two of the three
> > of the sacred triumvirate are oilmen.) Then  there is Rummy. He has
> > visions of some kind of military sugarplums dancing in his head. He is
> > and was a devout right-wing fundamentalist who lost his senate seat to a
> > dead man's wife....Perhaps what irritates me most is that the Iraq war
> > is
> > an extension of
> > American vanity.
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Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

“We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the
worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly
debated…To think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was
a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one’s unmanly
character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was
totally unfitted for action.” – Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by
Thucydides in “The Peloponessian Wars”

Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author
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