There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in harmony with one another. It is mostly the Palistinians who want all Jews out of Israel, not destroyed, just out of the Holy land. If one talks to American Muslims, Turkish Muslims, etc., one gets an entirely different picture.

The first name I mentioned was someone who practiced Islam devoutly from age 15 to, well, about 12 years. He fulfilled a semi-pilgrimage to Mecca during that time and studied in Saudi Arabia.

Stacy.

At 09:10 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote:

No, they're "beni Israel" (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning
by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are "children of the
Book" and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are
hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are actually those who
do not believe in a form of monotheism, according to "pure" Islam. Atheists,
Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

The vast majority of Sunni and Ismaili Muslims, which are the branches I'm most
familiar with, and to which persuasions most of the Moslems I have met belong to,
are more tolerant by far than our media portrays. There's no news to
ordinariness. I've only ever known well one Iranian, and he was from a Turkmen
minority group who are Sunni, so I'm not sure if I even know any Shiites. Many
Moslems are like Christians, too -- they are really Muslim in name only, and tend
to be rather secular (most Egyptians and Palestinians I have met, let alone
Turks, are like that). But Palestinians are in a difficult position, as we all
know, and there is a lot of polarization going on there. That's what happened in
Chechnya. There has never been any love lost between the Chechens and the
Russians, dating back to when Peter the Great conquered the Caucasus's northern
slopes for the Empire, but Chechens have mostly been secular, and are using Islam
as a means of militarizing their nationalism.

Paul Osborne wrote:

> No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews
> infidels?
>
> Paul O
>
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would
> > you change
> > your mind?
> >
> > Paul Osborne wrote:
> >
> > > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it
> > just the
> > > >Islamist factions?
> > >
> > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into
> > Armageddon and
> > > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me
> > the name
> > > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that
> > their
> > > nation was dissolved?
>
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