I get three "A"'s.

We have been given intellectual gifts to employ.  The word employ here is
very important, for it means that we must work at figuring things out, at
overcoming our natural man instincts.  We may be of the fold, but we are not
sheep.

In determining the ability of a country's government to "hold[ing] sacred
the freedom of conscience," I use the measure of whether or not there are
missionaries in that country.  If there are not, then it is clear that,
notwithstanding some special agreement between the Church and the government
such as in Israel, that government is subject to serious review by its
populace.

Since I just went on an exchange with our missionaries, and since we just
had more than 100 missionaries visit the store while on their semi-annual
trip to the temple, I think that the US is OK for at least another year or
two.

Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21


> Jim Cobabe favored us with:
> >"Church members who seek to use LDS doctrine as a basis for concluding
> >that government infringements on inalienable rights have excused them
> >from obeying the law seem to have forgotten the principle of following
> >the prophets. Until the prophets invoke this principle, faithful members
> >will also refrain from doing so. We remain committed to uphold our
> >governments and to obey their laws." (Dallin H. Oaks, "Some
> >Responsibilities of Citizenship", BYU Marriott Center, July 3, 1994)
>
> Following this same train of thought, here are questions 7-9 in the
> screening questionnaire I use for my Moroni list:
>
> 7. I believe the Twelfth Article of Faith: "We believe in being subject to
> kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and
> sustaining the law."
> A. Strongly agree
> B. Agree
> C. Don't know
> D. Disagree
> F. Strongly disagree
>
> 8. But I also believe D&C 134:5 which reads: "We believe that all men are
> bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they
> reside, WHILE PROTECTED IN THEIR INHERENT AND INALIENABLE
> RIGHTS, by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion
are
> unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished
accordingly;
> and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own
> judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same
time,
> however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience."
> A. Strongly agree
> B. Agree
> C. Don't know
> D. Disagree
> F. Strongly disagree
>
> 9. However, when these two are in apparent contradiction, I believe that
it
> is the Priesthood led by the President of the Church, rather than the
> individual that makes the final determination as to which principle is
> supreme at any given moment. A saint does not take the law into his own
> hands.
> A. Strongly agree
> B. Agree
> C. Don't know
> D. Disagree
> F. Strongly disagree
>
> John W. Redelfs                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Atheistic humanism is the opiate of the self-described
> intellectuals" --Uncle Bob
> ===========================================
> All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR
>
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