Marc, the issue about the statement made by the Canadian about Pres Bush was
not the issue I was talking about.  It was your general and specific distain
for American actions and motives in the international arena.  The loop I was
talking about is the issue you bring up, that Canada is unable to do much on
their own - they are not often truly in the decision making loop.
Especially right now when America has been attacked and will do something
about it with or without others permission.  It is our right and our
responsibility to do so.  However, you surely realize that your government
has acted to support the US in this area.

I apologize for presuming your motives - you are right, I was wrong to do
so.  It is a lesson we could all learn about other individuals and other
nations as well.  Perhaps this lesson could also be applied to judging the
motives of the United States in the international arena.

I am the new guy and perhaps I misunderstood when I read the rules, but I
thought that politics was a taboo subject.  If not, then this list will be
very much more interesting, but nowhere near as uplifting as I was hoping.

I really enjoy so many of your comments and appreciate your knowledge and
insight into so many aspects of what I am interested in, that I would not
want to make anything less than a friend of you.  I hope that you can accept
and respond to that.  And that you might feel the same way about me and my
posts, limited as I am in so much of what we discuss.

But please do not beat up on your neighbors to the south, because I, for
one, will naturally react to your diatribes.

Best wishes,


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Afghanistan improved?

George Cobabe wrote:

> Marc, rather than start another political yelling match with you about the
> USA and our policies, I will just say you are all screwed up and let it go
> at that.

Okay. But I never did any yelling. No one ever proved me wrong on the last
about the role of spokespeople in the Westminster system. Let's remember
that two
claims were made by Jim, who started the thread by posting an article from
Toronto Star:

1) the comment about Bush being a "moron" was made publicly. I showed (as
indeed, the article itself) that it wasn't public. I got a "so what" kind of
half-hearted acknowledgement from someone -- either Jim or Stephen, I can't
remember which -- but that's all.

2) the comment was made by a politician. As a civil servant in a
government, I explained why she wasn't a politician. You will never see a
like Francie Ducros giving a public statement -- it's always the minister
who does
(we consider this one of the basics of "responsible government" which means
minister is the one who is responsible, and everything in his or her
department is
always done in his/her name; civil servants never issue statements or hold
conferences like they do in the U.S. I never got an acknowledgement that Jim
wrong in his assumption that the rest of the world acts like the U.S. in

But you're free to express an emotional opinion, as we all are.

> I am reminded of the old story of the Stallion and the horse fly.  The fly
> kept biting the horse but when it was all over the fly was still an
> and the horse was still a stallion.
> So keep biting at the USA if it makes you feel better as a Canadian, but
> remember what is true in the end.

You are being presumptuous about my motives, and you're wrong, too. But if
you feel better to hold this belief about my motives, go for it.

> It is always easy to criticize when you are out of the loop and unable to
> anything about it.

I don't understand this comment. I believe I was *in* the loop on that
since I happen to have first-hand experience of the process involved.

Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will
himself up and continue on" - Winston Churchill

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