What you say here is true, John.  It is so easy to go further, as some do,
and suggest that they are the ones that know thre real truth about so many
other doctrines that you have not mentioned.  And that is where the problem
is often found.

I do not think you are unwise, in fact I think that declaring the doctrine
is one of my strengths as well as one of yours.  It is just very easy to go
too far.  Some things are not clear and if you have two members disagreeing
it does not mean that it is easy to determine which is right, if either of
them is right, and which is wrong.  So we need, in so many ways, to be


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: [ZION] The Cruelty of False Doctrine

> George Cobabe wrote:
> >In my opinion, there are many Latter-day Saints who do not understand how
> >unloving and even cruel it is to teach false doctrine.
> >
> >John W. Redelfs                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >John, it is equally cruel to teach that the only true doctrine is the one
> >and the way you understand it.
> I disagree.  It is not equally true IF my understanding of doctrine is
> >There are very few, I mean very few, beleifs that are truly doctine.
> I disagree again.  There are MANY irrefutably true doctrines:
> 1) There is a God.
> 2) Jesus Christ is his Son.
> 3) Joseph Smith is a true prophet.
> 4) The Book of Mormon is the Word of God.
> 5) The Bible is the Word of God insofar as it is translated correctly.
> 6) Jesus Christ is the Redeemer of the World.
> 7) Gordon B. Hinckley is a true prophet just as Joseph Smith or Moses
> 8) A man cannot be saved without faith in Christ, repentance and baptism.
> 9) There are three kingdoms of glory.
> 10)  There is a universal resurrection.
> 11)  The Law of Tithing is God's Law.
> 12)  The Law of Chastity is God's Law.
> and so forth and so on.
> >Even many of the beliefs accepted by the majority of the members are not
> >true.
> This is true, but it is also irrelevent.
> >It is unwise to set up a standard built on the understanding of anything
> >but the reveleation of the truth, and much of that is not to be shared as
> >absolute doctrine by the individual who has received it.
> I know that you think I am unwise George.  Fortunately, I only need to
> impress Heavenly Father with my wisdom.
> >Simply stating the belief or quoting someone else that also believes that
> >way does not establish the truth of the doctrine.
> Of course.  This is so obvious that I'm surprised that you would think it
> needs saying.
> An understanding of true doctrine is ESSENTIAL to salvation.  Without it,
> no one would ever have faith in Christ or repent of his sins.  And
> salvation is impossible without faith and repentance.   That is not just
> personal opinion.  That is the Law of God.
> John W. Redelfs                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "The study of the doctrines of the Gospel will improve
> behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve
> behavior."  --Boyd K. Packer
> ===========================================
> All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR
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