I agree Ron, and further think that the right question might be one of
trying to figure out why we misunderstand what he has said.  The first
option ought to be to reconcile what I/You think he said with what we either
understand or could learn from a better understanding of his message.

It seems that this is the primary response from people on the list - and
that pleases me.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?


> George, I think your comments are interesting and do reflect, to an
extent,
> how we regard comments from various authorities.  I happen to think that
> Elder Nelson's comments, generally, were provocative and instructive.
> However, I do believe he *inadvertantly* redefined terms  that, in
essence,
> could redefine what the church has taught for generations.  My underwear
> doesn't bunch-up because of it nor do I quail at the thought of pointing
out
> where he erred, IMO.  Frankly, his coagulation has no impact whatsoever on
> how I apply the gospel in my life. How one applies the gospel in one's
life,
> in the here and now, is the gospel's bottom line. IMO, what we believe
about
> the great-by-and-by is relevant only if it shapes or re-shapes what we DO
> now.  Elder Nelson's views, or similar ones, will not reshape how I DO in
> the here and now.
>
> Finally, it is refreshing to me that men at the top of Church have their
own
> points of view about various teachings but remain reasonably consistent
> about the importance of DOING the word NOW because such leads to stronger
> and more stable individuals, families and and communities.
>
> IMO we would all be better off  fewer 'DEFINITIONS' and lot more 'I DON'T
> KNOWS." For instance, more might be provoked to think.
>
> Ron Scott
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:46 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
> >
> >
> > Yes, but that is a tough position to take.  Like you I keep
> > waiting for some
> > correction from someone, but it does not seem to be happening.
> >
> > It is an interesting question to consider.  How do we treat comments
from
> > authoritative sources that disagree with others such sources, or with
the
> > scriptures?  It is too often a tendency to throw quotes rather
> > than to think
> > through a question, and now we find it so easy to dismiss quotes
> > from Elder
> > Nelson, an Apostle - and one that is not normally one to create such
> > discussions.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:09 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:47 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ron, You may be right.  As a matter of fact I agree with you.
> > > >
> > > > However, Elder Nelson does not.  He says that God's love is
> > > > conditional upon
> > > > righteousness.
> > >
> > >
> > > As I mentioned in a previous post, I think Elder Nelson got it wrong,
> > merged
> > > two definitions that shouldn't have been merged.
> > >
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