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Martin Aspeli wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> What is going to make us more effective is:
>> * a recognition of current reality, i.e. the Zope Framework is not the 
>> same as the Zope 3 application server and it serves a far wider audience.
>> * leadership
> I really couldn't agree more. There's unfortunately a bit of a 
> leadership vacuum in the Zope community.
> I think Tres and Chris are suggesting we focus leadership around 
> individual packages or sets of packages, and Martijn is suggesting we 
> have something a bit broader focusing on all of Zope. I think the two 
> are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And I'd take any leadership over 
> none at all.
> Plone, by the way, had a similar problem, and solved it by creating "the 
> framework team". This is a rolling body of people who are responsible 
> for putting out calls for and reviewing improvements proposals. They 
> basically report to the release manager, who makes the final call. The 
> release manager is nominated by the framework team, confirmed by the 
> Plone Foundation, and given a small stipend for his troubles.

Funny you should pick them as your example.  I've seen members of that
team *actively deny* that the team has any role in setting technical
direction for Plone (which is ironic, given that what they actually do
is to review and approvie PEPs, as well as choosing the release manager).

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