On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hey Gary, > > [panarchist approach where we have people starting groups that could > compete for attention]
[Had to look up panarchist, but yes, essentially.] > I agree that it should be relatively easy to start "Zope" projects > under > the Zope umbrella. > > I agree that such projects could compete for attention and may the > best > one win. > > I think this is what's more or less already happening anyway, and I > think it's great and it makes me appreciative of open source and > Zope's > component oriented culture that makes it possible. > > We can't just fork everything and branch off into our direction > everywhere however; these projects will share a common codebase. I am very much in favor of someone having this perspective, and acting on it. ;-) > This common codebase needs to be managed and have a direction, > taking as > inputs the needs of the projects using them. We don't have an umbrella project (e.g., grok, repoze) with this goal. I think your statements and mine mesh well enough. If you don't agree, that's fine. Practically, it means I support what you are trying to do (and in fact I would tend towards your camp in my proposed panarchy), if from a slightly different perspective. > > Gary Poster wrote: >> Moreover, if you are willing to step up and declare that you are >> starting something called the "Zope Framework" that manages a known >> good set of code, and you hope other projects and people join in and >> help, that makes sense to me. > > The open source mantra: "those who take responsibility get > responsibility" Yup. > I agree very much with that. > > It might be we are able to establish a "framework team" without > elections by just picking out the bunch of people who are interested > in > this. Of course if we have a significant fraction of our community who > disagrees with the authority to make decisions for larger changes in > these components, we still have a problem. Two diverging branches of > the > same package doesn't seem to be a maintainable situation; at some > point > someone is going to make a release with a single version number. > > That's why I don't think I or anyone else can just "do it" without > reaching a bit of wider consensus first. I think we have a transition > problem to get from where we are now, where everybody and nobody is > recognized, to a generally recognized group with some authority to > make > decisions where needed and provide guidance that should be taken into > account. Sure. I'm glad you sent your proposal email first. Now that you have, I hope you pursue your vision without needing 100% buy-in from the community. I'm optimistic that you will. :-) Gary >> With what I've seen on the Grok list, >> you can do a great job as a project leader, generally being positive, >> open, and motivating. > > Thanks! I have my flaws, but I try to be aware of them. :) Yup, same here. Gary _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
